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JeremyIrons
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...will not be changed any time soon!

I just tried playing a Level 1 Mage and the worst accidental damage I did to myself in the goblin area of the mines was when I ran out of the colored room and into the small room where the ramp used to trap wizards. I did 11 damage to myself, leaving me 2 HP. (Note that I said "goblin area of the mines". That's where you should be. If you die falling off the Trav Den, then you're an idiot and your point is invalid.)

It's all about being careful. The current damage being inflicted for fall damage may seem high, but it is doing its job very well. People don't walk off cliffs anymore. People are careful on boats. People don't jump around carelessly off tall buildings.

If I were to reduce fall damage, this would mean a higher survival rate, meaning less fear. It is important for people to fear danger. And it is in my honest expert opinion that the fall damage is consistent with how I want this game to be played: People walk along paths now, and they are careful when they adventure on high mountains, as they SHOULD BE.

Now read this VERY carefully, I don't want to repeat this everyday (which I will probably have to): The game will change AROUND the new fall damage.

Example:
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Problem: Constant problem with players falling off docks & boats and dieing.
BAD Solution: Reduce fall damage
GOOD Solution: Align docks and boats properly so there is no easy way to fall off unless intentional.

Understood?!?

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Aye.

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Also, once you hit level 25, I suggest you wear boots of gliding most all of the time.

Recent tests show that major falling damages can be reduced to 1/5 of their original intensity if you glide down, instead of straight fall.

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GoldenFlight
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Next person who complains goes into a special file (like ban list) designed to ONLY spawn player on top of the new Traveler's Den without boots of any kind and #recall disabled? Transport/teleport also send this person back to new Den?

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Does this mean I'm thinking like an admin? j/k


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Statistical Update

Hmm..

My previous statistics were false.

I tried the falls again, and again, and again.

New averages and statistics:

Falling from Traveller's Den Into Water
Without boots: 943.531 damage
With glides: 43.333 damage
With 2 energy ww's: 120.625 damage
With 800 energy ww's: 64.375 damage

Falling from Traveller's Den Onto Land
Without boots: 403 damage
With glides: 32.08333 damage
With 2 energy ww's: 89 damage
With 800 energy ww's: 54.875 damage

The reason why falling into water hurts a lot more than falling onto land is because inside of the little rivers are the banks which are very close together.

Therefore, when you jump off of the den into water, you usually hit the ground for 400 damage or so, than you slam into a couple walls for 200 damage or so.

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Always have boots of gliding handy. Especially at places very high up. I always wear my boots of gliding, even when travelling long distance, because you never know when a rock, ditch, or hole might pop up.

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Vectrex
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I'm just saying that no matter how much fighting exp you have, you shouldnt be able to jump naked off a 3 story building and live. blah.

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JeremyIrons
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The damage inflicted upon falling is NOT based on fighting exp. It is based on Race, Endurance, Armor worn, Level and Remort Step.

If you want excuses, fine. Creatures (including humans) in TRPG can occasionally withstand great amounts of fall damage. The higher their level, the greater the chance of surviving a damaging fall. No one knows the reason why levels can save lives, but they do... It appears to be common place for a very high level player to survive what would be a fatal fall for a low level player.

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I agree completely with the new damage, mainly because I feel the game was too easy before. This will help cut the whiners, which we DO NOT need.


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Hmm...

Fall.. damage..

Logical....

Getting....... more...... damage..... on..... land....... than..... in...... water......


Not as logical.....

or.....

illogical.....

depending......

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JeremyIrons
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that's because the water check isn't fast enough... the water is a zone, and zones get checked every 2 seconds

So the odds of falling in the water and having it detect you right away are slim...

If you're lucky you'll catch the zone check as you entered the water and damage should be reduced by 1000% i believe

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GoldenFlight
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Whats illogical about more damage on land than water?

would you:

rather fall 10 feet into an empty pool?

or a full one?

There is a certain resistence/buoyancy to the water that aids in slowing down your fall.

And yes, you could argue that at greater heights the body is hitting the water with greater velocity and it might as well be land.

Go tell that to the guys that jump off the cliffs in Mexico into the ocean. They seem to survive. Try that over land.

Unless I missed something here in which case you guys can chalk it up to me burbbling too much again.


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Zelgadis
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i fell jumped off the colored goblin area of the mines for 25 damage, very nearly killed me but hey i shoudnt have jumped, it is just a habit.

the only this i dislike about fall damage is the very steep ramp where you spawn as a new char. took me for 4 damage just running down the ramp, as a level 1 with 1.1 endurance, it was painful.

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Don't run down the ramp if it damages you..

I just walk off the side and fall down for no damage.

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Fall damage is fine for me, so you won't hear me complain. However, there does need to be a warning, people souldn't exactly know how much damage they get, but they should know that death from falling is a very real possibility. If that works like i think it should work, less whiners, more population. But we all know things never work out exactly the way you want them to. :/

I will miss being able to high dive (and suvive) when admins make me platforms to jump off of. :P Did that in NQ once, just for the hell of it.


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Truth:

From roughly 2000 feet in the air (in reality),
it is safer to land on concrete, than water.

Liquids have a special property, They can't compress. (I'm not sure if ALL liquids do, but water most definately does)
What this means is, that when you hit concrete at high speed, it 'squishes' a bit, and softens the impact ever so slightly. Water however, doesn't compress at all, and because you are travelling so fast, the water cant get out of the way (because of inertia, momentum, etc)
and you go splat, and THEN sink and drown because you are unconcious.

Although personally, I like that most games let you fall into water harmlessly.

it would be NICE if water was built so that it simply inhibited movement, and if you were falling fast enough, you could still pierce the water and hit the bottom of the lake (river) for damage, although less than a drop onto land.

Hopefully the water system in tribes 2 will be a good representation of real water.

The problem is (Since I've taken a lot of college Physics) is that the calculations and such needed to appropriately emulate water in a game are too extreme.
And very few games use REAL physics formulae, they simply use approximations.

most games dont have an environmental gravity constant, and use acceleration formulas to calculate speed, (which would make my water idea a lot more possible) they just use strange formulas for it.

However, we're starting to see (especially with newer, faster technology) a lot more realistic, true-to-life games, and it rules.


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However, there does need to be a warning, people souldn't exactly know how much damage they get, but they should know that death from falling is a very real possibility



Check the *new* Newbie Guide.

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~rpg/sho...s=&threadid=184


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Well, if you were to stop talking, a good chunk of the ideas floating around this forum would sure be gone.

In other words, keep yakkin, even if you do talk too much, much of it is good stuff.


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Would it make sense to check if someone was in the water whenever they took falling dammage?

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Yes, that would be logical Vec..

At least it seems so to me..

But the check might not be very efficent.

Since these falls are very spontaneous, you are usually dead within hitting the floor of the water area in a second.

Zone checks happen once every 2 seconds.

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The check rate can't be increased, because when it was .5 it caused a lot of lag.


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Vectrex, that idea is ALMOST possible. Unfortunately due to the new way of checking zones (containerBoxFillsets), I can't do this easily. It's possible, but I don't feel like putting the effort in to this right now.

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add a line to terraindamage that just sparks an updatezone() call?

too much lag maybe.

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Like I said, almost possible.

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LOL this would be funny if people start shoving ppl off bridges and they die heheh

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Talk to Toaster about that one.
Been there, done that.

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Argh, I don't even have shove yet

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Originally posted by Mir

I talk too much.



No you don't.

Good lesson in physics. (and yes, I do understand that is why pilots would rather do forced landings over ground that water-- we used to test fusalage impact). I was thinking that most of the falls, into water would normally be from heights of bridges, docks, which are not that high. Falling into water from any greater height than that, is a calculated risk and you get what you deserve: if somebody in RPG is up high enough to emulate an airplane, and they are NOT an admin, they deserve to die!

YOu had a great idea! but I guess we need to wait for technology to catch up with real life. (oooh thats kinda scary).

Can you calculate damage from bridges (objects) differently than overall fall damage? Or is it one calculation. NOT ASKING For change, the programmer in me is starting to wonder now how this is all done.


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