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hey ji, you have prob already thought about this...but

couldnt you just make zone check a client thing instead of server side? and if you do change zones it just uploads it up to the server

you could add more zones then...

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Yea....g00d---idea..pimpy...

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Players would edit the zones and change stuff with it...like if its client then you have to tell the server if your zone changes...and if you edit it then no one would know what zone your in >=]

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server would check to see if clientzonecheck.cs has been change...if it has you cant get in the server, if it hasnt you can get in the server

kinda like how diablo 2 checks to see if your exe hasnt been modified

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hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm.......
problem being that zonecheck is used for a lot of different things now, it isnt jsut zonecheck its used as anything you want to recurse every two seconds, magical shield degrading, orb burnout, drown damage, but still...... i wonder......

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yeah and if it was possible to make all that client side...imagine how many more bots and zones you could add...

ji?

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Um when it checks to see if it is the same it checks the file size...I think ..

Like if its 50KB on the server and if you edit it and get 48KB...all you need to do is add some junk to get 50KB

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when you connect to a server, it checks to see what you have and you dont have, if you dont have a piece of code, it adds it, if you dont have a piece of a map, it adds it

you would just have to make the server check every line to see if its the same, that would only take a blink of an eye

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ooooo ok

duh I forgot about that!

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Hehe yes that would work! It would cut down on LAG too.... Because it would only send the info to the server if you change zones(the loops would be running on the client)
Same goes for the shields and stuff.

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if you do anything like that on the client, its ALWAYS changeable.
yuo can build programs that modify stuff AFTER the server has checked it.
And well.. then you're screwed.
Theres all sorts of ways to 'hack' things.

Thats just the unfourtunate part of unencrypted Data.
and generally speaking, even encrypted data can be ripped apart, cause the reader for it has to be somewhere in the program (in an application like this), and people good with assembly can find it.

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Hehe... ever time a save world comes it checks your files or when you #savecharacter ...if they where edited it DELETES you. And you start over with a msg saying "Hackers never win" or something heheheh

And yes it should delete them. Because they are cheating.

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yeah, dues is right

it could do a "zone" check on your comp every minute

theres really not alot you could do in a minute, plus how many mem hackers we have playing trpg? maybe 5 at the max

16 checks a minute is better than a couple thousand the server already has to do in a minute

it would need some beta testing...but im sure it would be unhackable after awhile

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Someone could just write a script that at an interval equal to the zonecheck, it told the server the player was in "unknown" or whatever.

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???

how would that work?

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True, Mir, but how many people know assembly? I do, and it would be an absolute pain in the neck to decrypt code....

I like this idea. Yes, it could be hacked, but I think admins would notice someone always listed as being in "unknown" area, even when he is in town. If the admins don't catch it, the players will. :-)

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Yes DM. They should be jailed(1 hour?) or deleted for that... =p

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1 hr jail should be enough. :-) We can always make it harsher if it's a problem. However, if the server checks, I think most people will give up quickly.

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diablo one uses clientside code. ever played that online? tell me if its any fun.

though this would be a bit different what with admins everywhere, i still dont trust clientside code. and dont you say that the trpg comunity is too small to have hackers, JI hopes to have the entire world playing trpg im sure.

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how many people know how to hack a game client? With the internet, it only takes one.

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With the tribes open scripts, it would be very easy. If it was done in ClientGetZone, which called ClientReturnZone, I could bind a key to ClientReturnZone("unknown");, or have that said by a script every 5 seconds.

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Yes but you got admins... plus if bots only spawn when you enter a zone they won't spawn for you(if your the only one in there) =p

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I'm just saying it'd be a rather obvious cheat, not extremely helpful (hmm, might this screw up zonelist? teleport?) and sort of a pain to do.... Not like the speed cheat or something.....

The person gains so little for the work, and can lose so much....

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ok how bout everyone got checked every second?

so thats 16 checks a second, that wouldnt tax the server at all, plus it would randomize sometimes and check 1 person 3 times in a sec

like DM said, you would have to do a hell of alot, for a very pointless cheat

and if you get caught, you get cleared

or better yet, banned, hopefully you can ban by key code

a check every sec would be very hard to cheat

and ji would use dif code names than zone, so a script would be out of the question

lol dues is right about the bots


so it would be very very easy to stop cheaters...

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Still, 16 checks a sec is negating a lot of the benefit...randomly checking someone ever 10 sec would be good.

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good idea dm, just random check every 5-10 sec

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zone checks aren't that cpu intensive fyi... it would take more cpu to do this whole kerfuffle of client-side double-checking etc

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yeah that too.

i was thinking that they keep saying it isnt a very productive cheat even if people did cheat, well, a LOT more happens in recursivezone() than the damn zonecheck and all of those things could be cheated.

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yeah, I see a few cheats already, (heh, free PKing in town) but they probably wouldn't be worth it....heck, the whole idea may be more trouble than it's worth. comparing an entire file every minute or so would take up as many resources as just doing the zonechecks ever 2 sec.

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